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Naked Face Plus

I was asked if I would post a picture of my naked face, as well as one with my foundation on but no blush. So of course, I complied and then added a few more ;)

Here is my naked face, in direct sunlight, no flash. You can see I have major pink overtones and I prefer to have those countered, not enhanced. This is why, if I wear a pink-based foundation, I look like I have a sunburn.

 

This is me in my daybulb light, no flash, at the vanity, wearing Too Faced Amazing Face foundation in Vanilla Creme. I put my foundation on very lightly today.

 

This is me in direct sunlight, with no flash and no blush. Just the foundation is on. You can see it actually looks a tad dark, and you can tell I put it on lightly. A bit of my pink overtones are peeking through.

 

This is me inside, in daybulb light, but with flash. I have my foundation, blush and highlighter on.
This really emphasizes why, if you’re trying out a foundation, you should take a picture of your face and neck in direct sunlight while wearing the foundation. The image will show you whether or not the foundation matches. The flash tends to even you out and make it look like most things match, even when they do not.

So as you can see, I have strong pink overtones that I prefer to minimize. To minimize pink, you can do it with a foundation, or a correcting powder before you apply foundation. I’ve only tried a green correcting powder a few times but it seems to work well. I usually prefer to just us my foundation.

I’m also very pale, which is why most foundation lines found in drugstores and department stores tend to be too dark for me. I have a mix of undertones, mostly creamy with with a bit of beige, a touch of peach, and a dash of yellow. I’ve found in my experiments over the years with foundations that neutral or neutral leaning warm work best for me.

In my experiences recently with foundations (Covergirl NatureLuxe in 305 Alabaster, Laura Geller Balance-N-Brighten Foundation in Porcelain, Maybelline Fit Me Liquid Foundation in 110 Porcelain, and Maybelline Fit Me Powder Foundation in 110 Porcelain), all the lightest shades available in the drugstore are for pale people with pink undertones. Indie foundations, such as Meow Cosmetics, cater to everyone, including those of us who are pale with neutral undertones with shades like Inquisitive Siamese. Some department store foundations, such as Too Faced Amazing Face Liquid Foundation in Vanilla Creme lean more neutral, which is great, too.

What about you? What foundations work best for you? Cool? Warm? Neutral? Pale? Dark?

What I’m looking for when it comes to foundation is something that’s pale enough,  able to neutralize my pink overtones and even out my color, and be light to medium coverage. I don’t want to wear a mask.

On the right side of my blog I set up a poll. If you feel comfortable, please answer about your undertones in the poll. It’s completely unscientific. However, the majority of the answers so far have fallen into the pink undertones or neutral undertones categories. It’s really neat to see the responses!

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    • http://la3leches.blogspot.com Loopz

      I think you look very pretty :)

      • Phyrra

        Thank you!

    • http://www.glostix.net Bekka

      I’m NC15 in MAC… just a slight touch yellowy. I rather hated using foundation until I actually went in and got matched.

      • Phyrra

        MAC is too dark for me. After years of frustration I had my skin color analyzed by an expert so I could figure out WHAT foundation to wear, because I was so frustrated at everything looking wrong :(

    • UneLuneBleue

      Pale is pretty!
      As for me, I’m usually the lightest color that the foundation comes in, and if they have a selection of warm, cool or neutral, I’d pick neutral or cool. I also have pink undertones, and have a difficult time finding a good match, especially with drugstore brands. I usually use a tinted moisturizer because they’re so sheer. I’m in the process of testing the Meow samples I’ve bought to find my purrfect match (hehe).

      • Phyrra

        I do enjoy being pale and having healthy skin. Meow is where I found my first perfect foundation match! Inquisitive Siamese :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/SpookyMint Minty Leroux

      Foundations have been a constant woe for me, being an ultra pale redhead.
      Too pink. Too orange. Too yellow.
      So-called neutrals just seem to be too dark or too brown or in a few cases, gray.
      So far the closest I’ve found to my tone is Manic Panic’s Moonlight foundation. But even that is almost too olive-toned for my skin.

      • Phyrra

        I always recommend checking out Meow, since that’s where I found my perfect match :) I hear you on the too pink, too orange, too yellow, too dark, etc.

    • Tabii

      I’m Very similar to you, without the pink overtones. I am a neutral, and I wear SoBe Botanicals mousse foundation with great success.

      • Phyrra

        I need to try Sobe’s mousse sometime! I love Lex’s other products :)

    • Shea

      Foundations annoy the crud out of me. In the winter I’m super pale, but in the summer I tan up no matter how much I avoid the sun. It’s never one set shade and I hate trying to match that.
      I like to think that my skin’s not that bad so moisturizer’s typically what I opt for instead. Less of a hassle for me. :p

      • Phyrra

        I don’t tan, I burn. Do you use SPF 30 or higher moisturizer? That can really help. Or if you apply SPF multiple times a day that can help as well.

        • Shea

          My moisturizer has SPF 30 in it. I’m really not out in the sun much with school and work, but I still manage to get darker and make all my current foundation shades useless. /:

          • Phyrra

            I have some friends who are like that here in FL. They’re not out much, but even 5 mins they tan up nicely. I fry in 5 mins without my SPF.

            They usually keep 2 or 3 foundation shades that work for them throughout the year, which isn’t an option for everyone.

    • splattergirl

      I am about nw10 like you! for example mac studio fix fluid nw15 was dark and orange on me but prolongwear in nc15 is quite fine I must say! Do you ever use bb creams? if so, I have a few to recommend. I also like Lush color supplements in light. Btw I need more coverage than you since I have not only rosacea but various undereye problems :)

      • Phyrra

        I’m pretty sure that last time I checked I was paler than N1 (and I can’t remember what the formula was, it’s been about 8 years ago at this point).

        I’ve tried a few BB cream samples, but not too much. They’re really neat though.

        I have fine lines under my eyes, and sometimes dark circles. You can’t always see them though. Go go foundation :)

        As recently as 3 years ago, I last tried a bunch of the MAC foundations and gave up because they were all too dark :(

        • splattergirl

          My recommendations are:
          kanebo freshel bb (brown-golden tube)
          maybelline mineral base bb
          missha signature 13

          these are all pretty pale and have medium coverage, also oil control is pretty solid. They might be pricey, I was lucky to get them for okay price on ebay auctions! I must say I like them much more than runny MAC face and body.

          Get a nc15 prolongwear sample, just in case. You can never know! :)

          • Phyrra

            Which is your favorite of the BB cremes?

            I’ll try getting a pro-longwear sample next time I’m at MAC.

            • splattergirl

              those 3 are all great, I tried others including dr jart silver, lioele beyond the solution, missha pc 21, hanskin super magic, skin 79 beblesh balm and maybe more but it’s hard to find a pale enough match of course! Because of prices maybelline of 1oz might be most convenient but otherwise, I highly recommend trying first the smaller, 0.5oz version of missha signature 13 to see if it fits you! ebay always has them, if you need opinion on some seller – because they fake these too in asia ;o -just ask me! :)

              • Phyrra

                Will do :) Thank you so much!

    • http://toxid-lotus.net Manda

      Oh man, I have the same skin tone issue as you. I look like I’m sun burnt without foundation on, and most are pink toned and make it look worse. =[

      • Phyrra

        Yep, that’s why I always check my foundation outside, in direct sunlight, with no flash, to see if I look pink, or more normal :)

    • Kat

      Thanks so much for this post. It made me understand sooo much more about undertones! I always knew i was looking for yellow based foundations but never knew why till now!

      • Phyrra

        You’re welcome Kat!

    • Michelle

      I’m extremely pale, too and have had trouble finding foundations to match me my whole life. Based on yours and Grey’s reviews, I tried Meow and their foundations are awesome; I’m an inquisitive chausie. I also like MUFE’s HD foundation in 110.

      • Phyrra

        Yay! Inquisitive Chausie was the foundation that I first tried, because of being mis-matched so many times.

    • http://lacqueredpaintedpolished.blogspot.com/ Jessi

      At first I wasn’t sure what you meant by pink overtones but now I see. It looks almost as if the pink is sitting on top of your skin. Whenever I see a picture of you with even a little bit of powder at least it seems to make a big difference. I guess that’s why it’s important to know your own skin tone well.

      I am very fair like you and drugstore foundations never work for me. Besides being too dark they are often too yellow. I haven’t found one that is too pink for my skin yet but I pretty much gave up foundations when at an early age I discovered most were too dark. I recently ordered the Tarte 8th World Wonder collection from QVC and got the foundation it came with in fair. It’s a pretty good lightness match but even it is a bit too yellow.

      • Phyrra

        That’s a really good way to describe it, as if the pink is sitting on top. You may wanna see if you can test out that CoverGirl NatureLuxe in 305 Alabaster that I reviewed recently, if you’re interested in trying a drugstore foundation. I thought it worked really well, and it’s definitely pink.

    • DaenaCat

      These really illustrate that people can have a pink overtone but a warm or neutral undertone. My skin is crazy-pale and neutral… BUT I have rosacea so there are pink overtones. MUA constantly want to put me in pink-toned foundation and it looks so mask-like.

      • Phyrra

        Yeah, I hate that. I really know what you’re talking about.

    • http://kiandmakeup.blogspot.com ki

      You are so cute even without makeup! :)

      I still have to find my perfect match! I’m peachy, golden, olive – all at the same time! :P

      • Phyrra

        Thanks Ki! Maybe ask Jen at the Meow forums? She’s amazing. She matched me :)

    • cinseven13

      You’re lovely without makeup!

      Pale ladies, try Illamasqua. I found I can wear TWO shades successfully. One is dead on (white with pink undertones) and the other (very light skin, neutral undertones) is close enough that I get away with it. Sometimes mixing two is the best way to get a good match if you’re between, or one isn’t quite it.

      • Phyrra

        I keep meaning to try Illamasqua. The neutral shade you mentioned sounds perfect.

    • aisling

      I have pink overtones and I usually end up with MUA who want to match the overtones to the foundation. I have no idea why.

      I seem to be doing best with Meow and that’s probably because they have Ocicat. I’m currently experimenting with a 50/50 ratio of Frisky Korat (gold beige) and Frisky Ocicat (olive beige). Siamese went on too pink for me.

      I do have a suspicion that using purple-plum blusher and/or lipstick with Ocicat emphasis the olive green undertones. It doesn’t look wrong or bad when I combine the two, just different, it makes my skin colour stronger somehow. I know purple is used to make green pop so it would make sense.

      • Phyrra

        I think they want to match what they easily see and they may not be trained to look deeper. I’m glad you found a good match with Korat and Ocicat!

    • Emily

      I am as neutral as they come. Luckily I gave up wearing most foundation and other face makeups a long time ago so I don’t have to hassle with finding one to match lol. That being said, I do have a similar problem…I like nude lip colors and similarly to trying to find a foundation, to find a truly neutral nude lipstick is damn near impossible. They are almost always too orangey or too pinkish for me. *shrug* Meh, oh well, what’ll ya do! hehe

      • Phyrra

        Have you tried XXX by Silk Naturals?

    • keijukainen

      You’re so pretty and you really don’t need much coverage with such a good skin.

      I have peachy undertones but I’m more warm than neutral and it’s been a pain to find a good liquid foundation when all the companies divide their shades to yellow-based and pink-based. Still haven’t found one.

      Luckily I did find Meow Cosmetics’ Persian. It’s the only foundation that matches my skintone as it is. I love Alima’s foundation in Neutral too but to get a perfect match I need to mix a little Beige in it. Not that Neutral looks horrible on me but after finding the perfect match with Meow I got extremely picky :D

      I can use Mac’s NC15-20 but I need to balance the yellowness with a bronzer or Meow’s Sunsplahser/Skinny Dipper etc.

      • Phyrra

        Aww thank you! I’m so glad you found Persian. That’s awesome.

    • http://dazzleglam.blogspot.com Molly

      The foundation looks nice on you, and does a nice job of hiding the pink.

      I have the same problem when it comes to pink undertones. . I hate it because when I don’t wear foundation I always get asked if I sick because I look “Flushed”. . most of the time I just say yes to avoid saying “that’s just the way I am” because well . . boys don’t understand! lol

      :)

      • Phyrra

        Hehehe

    • http://beautifulwithbrains.com gio

      You look vey pretty even without makeup.

      • Phyrra

        Thanks Gio!

    • http://www.queencicada.com Luna

      I have the problem of being very pale, but neither pink nor yellow. I guess I’m more of a warm neutral, leaning towards a peachy tone. None of which are shades manufacturers make foundation in. Lately, I’ve been wearing Meow’s foundation in Inquisitive Mau mixed with an eensie bit of Sleek Korat.

      This is part of the reason I’ve given up on liquid foundations. They just never match well enough, they always look cakey on my skin, and frankly, my skin hates it. :C

      • Phyrra

        I’m glad you can get a good match with Mau and Korat. I consider my skin pale neutral that leans a bit warm (because of the touch of yellow).

        I hadn’t tried a liquid foundation that I’d liked in over 10 years until I tried Too Faced’s Amazing Face. I think when I tried them in the past they were very heavy, very opaque and very mask-like.

    • http://blacknailpolishandlipgloss.blogspot.com EvilAngel

      You are gorgeous with or without makeup!
      I have medium toned skin in winter with both cool and warm undertones but in summer my Blackfoot shows up and I turn to a medium/dark with heavy red overtones and then the Nordic sneaks up and throws in some fun cool undertones which makes me look both red and dirty. lol Genetics are fun!

      • Phyrra

        You should do a summer skin / winter skin post at some point!

    • Kira

      I’ve got warm undertone, neutral overtone.

      You turned me onto Meow as well, and Mau in shade 2 is almost perfect for me.

      I share your issues of every drugstore foundation being too pink. Though I did find one that was too beige.

      I’ve always thought a cool complexion was the most common, hence to what most makeup companies cater.

      • Phyrra

        See, I think I may set up a poll for my friends, because I want to see what everyone’s undertones are. I really am curious if the majority is cool. I think you may be right in your reasoning.

    • NeenaJ

      I think you look great regardless. I actually prefer the foundation with no blush look on you. IMO you’ve got enough of your natural flush coming through that it doesn’t need extra accentuation by using blush. Maybe just a bit of highlighter? But, makeup is a very personal thing! : )

      • Phyrra

        Thank you for your kind words! Some days I do go without any blush. It’s funny but when I was younger I would put on my foundation thick enough that you couldn’t see a hint of that natural flush.

    • http://sakurablossom-sakurablossom.blogspot.com/ July

      You look pretty good even without foundation, but i thought i already had crystal clear the undertones thing, and now we have also overtone.I’m confused.

      • Phyrra

        Thank you! I don’t know if everyone has extreme overtones like I do. My pink is pretty extreme. Some people also have rosacea, but I don’t know that everyone has overtones like that.

    • http://feedity.com/rss.aspx/theanniversaryrose-com/UVZUW1VQ Jasmine

      I love your eyeshadow! Very cute. I have always had a problem finding a foundation that would counter my reddish hue. I will have to try this Amazing Face foundation.

      • Phyrra

        You can use a green concealer before you put on the foundation, too an that will help. I’ve tried Joppa Minerals green concealer and it works well.

    • Sarah

      I’m pink and pale too… I should wear foundation more than I do, but since I don’t, I’m still kinda like “I dunno what I’m doinnnnngggggg” when I buy it… I normally just go for the palest shade and hope that words.

      • Phyrra

        It seems like in the drugstore, that will work in your favor :) The palest shades have all been pink in my experiences.

    • http://www.bokehface.com Natalie

      Wow! I’ve been thinking about blogging my experience with trying to clear up my skin, but the thought of posting an un-retouched pic of my face w/no makeup sends chills down my spine. I wish I were as confident as you! I have very similar colored skin, it sounds – very pink and pale, and yes- most drugstore foundation is wayyy too dark. I like the stuff I formulated, but until I figure out how to make a super-natural looking, heavy coverage, perfect-for-dry-skin foundation… well, I guess I’m out of luck.

      • Phyrra

        My skin has a very strong pink overtone, and my undertones are more neutral, or neutral leaning warm. I figured I’m comfortable with my skin, so I can show my annoying spots :) Just a bit of foundation evens me out, which is cool.

    • http://twitter.com/grrrchelle Michelle

      I think the best foundation that you have showcased was the QVC foundation. I felt this was one that photographed beautifully and gave you a flawless complexion.

      I can see where you have a lot of pink overtones. Peach or Yellow might mellow that out or a Mint base.

      What I have found and loved. Because I am so no fuss no muss when it comes to my foundations is Avon’s Mineral Foundation. It has a very soft pearl finish. Great coverage but still makes you look natural. I also use Avon’s magic FX base that goes underneath. It smooths out skin texture and allows your foundation to last. Very silky. Clear so it can go on any skin tone.

      Personally I think it makes me look younger. Makes my eyes look smoother. :)

      • Phyrra

        I did love the finish on that one but it’s too pink for me :( I don’t like looking slightly sunburnt. BUT, I can use it as a bit of a highlighter on the cheeks or brows. Avon has some great products :) They make my favorite daytime moisturizer :)

    • http://segnoseven.com/blog Tea

      Your n00d skin looks great!

      My skin is slightly tan with yellow undertones in most places, but pink in other parts of my face; making foundation purchasing very tricky. If I wear my hair up with my bangs away from my face for long periods of time, my forehead gets darker than the rest of my face. So that also contributes to having difficulty buying a foundation that matches my skin. I generally wind up either too pink or too orange. Whenever I consult someone behind a MU counter, they almost always want to make me darker and I wind up looking muddy.

      The skin on my face is generally well behaved now that I’m older, so what I do now is skip foundation altogether and conceal the parts of my face that tend to have a bit of redness, and my dark circles. However, I wouldn’t be opposed to finding a really good foundation. I’m tempted to try Estée Lauder Double Wear, since Grey and Ana like it so much and had great results finding a color match.

      • Phyrra

        Sometimes you have to be firm with a MUA and say you want to match your neck, or the lightest shade, not the darkest.

        I plan on going to see if I can get color matched in the Estee Lauder Double wear, because of how Ana and Grey raved about it.

    • rabidmoon

      I have to counteract pinkness in my face as well….my skintone is fairly neutral, but has changed over the years, probably in part because I grew up in a very sunny place, but have lived in the opposite (far north, dark half the year) for about 10 years – my eyes were quite blue as a kid, but are a sort of grey-blue-green now – and I’m pale (not porcelain pale, more like “2nd shade” in most foundations). I have almost no colour in my lips, so I have to be quite careful about choosing pale/sheer shades – most “nude” lips look ashen or orangey on me, so I have to go with rosy pinks or mauves to get the nude effect.

      In those “colour you” surveys I’m closest to “clear and cool”, but I marked your survey as “golden beige” for now, as I wear Meow’s Frisky Korat and it almost disappears into my skin – now, that foundation maybe the tiniest bit too warm/dark as the winter draws to a close, but I’m going to sample a couple of Abysinnians and Chartreux just because I’m curious.

      When those undertone surveys ask you if your veins look blue – or green – I can honestly answer “teal”. (sigh)….right in the middle.

      • Phyrra

        Some of my veins are very distinctly blue. Others are blue-green and a few of mine are blue-navy-violet. Very strange!

        Your eyes must be very close to mine in color, because mine are blue-green, and sometimes will pull grey.

        • rabidmoon

          Going by your photos, yes, I’d say they are pretty similar! :) You have a little bit of gold in your eyes that I don’t have – but other than that yep, very close!

          • Phyrra

            Yeah that gold turns green, or yellow, it’s weird.

    • Nicole

      Thanks for actually considering my suggestion (foundation with no blush on) :)

      • Phyrra

        No problem! I even did a more understated blush look today :)

    • Rosa

      I recently went to MAC because I wanted to try the Pro longwear and the gal that helped me put NW30 on me and it looked fine in the store, but when I got it home it didn’t look right. I went back and got NW20, its really orange, and I still don’t feel it looks quite right. I’m not exactly sure what my undertones and all that are. I do know I have tons of redness and acne scarring that need to be covered up. I wear revlon colorstay in Nude and that seems to work well.

      • Phyrra

        Eek, orange is not good!

    • http://makeupfancyblog.blogspot.com/ Emily

      I know what you mean, it’s hard to find foundations that are light and not pink for my fair warm skin. I’m trying out some Meow samples I got but I need to do the picture test to see how they’re working on me; the weather here has been crappy lately. ;P

      I think no matter who you are, you don’t want too much pink in your foundation. Who wants to look like their whole face is flushed or sunburned? Not me! I definitely need something to neutralize my redness, but nothing too yellow or it shows up against my pale neck. It’s such a challenge, sigh.. >.<

      Thank you for these posts, they've been helpful :)

      • Phyrra

        You’re so welcome Emily!

    • Agrimony

      Great pictures, you are brave and pretty!

      I have a wee touch of a pink undertone, and have a couple broken capillaries on one cheek I need to cover. I do better with something very neutral.

      Double Wear is my all time favorite. I use Dusk which is more neutral than the swatch online looks. I love this foundation and have used it for over 15 years.

      But, last year I fell in love with Clinique’s Almost Makeup, in Neutral – Sephora had a set that had the cream and the powder (with a great powder brush and an Almost Lipstick in Black Honey). I loved this as the cream is a bit more than tinted moisturizer. Either powder or cream are great alone, but, on days I need more can layer them and it is perfect. Sadly, they appear to have discontinued the cream, so will have to find something else for light foundation days. I am so sad they discontinued this and hope I might find some somewhere, LOL.

      I think I will probably get the Double Wear Light, as the DW is so great for when I feel I need a fuller foundation, that is still not too heavy.

      • Phyrra

        I really need to go get matched in the Double Wear! Ana & Grey raved about it.

    • http://lulillan.wordpress.com Lulillan

      It looks great! I have that pinkish areas to my cheeks too and most of the time I just use my foundation. It covers well enough I guess. I tend to go for a more neutral or slightly yellow toned foundation to cover the pink areas.

      It’s really important to have good light when you put your make up on, now in the sun it shows up any mistakes ;-)

      • Phyrra

        I always check my foundations in the sun for that reason :)

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    • http://www.savvybeautyformoms.blogspot.com Erin

      We have the same complexion! OMG! It is so frustrating. It gets better in the summer when I have a little color. Not on purpose, I always load up on the spf too. But I have the hardest time trying to find foundations that look natural. I always want to match my white neck.

      I can’t put anything on my neck or it will break out so I have to be very careful with foundation lines, so I usually apply foundation mixed with a moisturizer.

      I try Ivories but they are too pink or too light. Revlon Colorstay in Buff has worked but I switched to Neutrogena in Natural Ivory. Looks good in the mirror but in natural light it’s not perfect. In the summer I can use Neutrogena Natural Sheers in Light to Ivory because it is on the darker side for me as well. Right now I’m trying out VitaZing but I’m afraid it is too dark.

      Before I switched to liquid I was using Bare Minerals and mixing the Fair and fairly light. Fair was too pink, fairly light too yellow.

      I always thought I had cool undertones. I have blue and violet blue veins. But now that I’m looking at them, I might have some slight greenish ones. How confusing! lol

      • Phyrra

        I don’t get any color during the summer, but it’s mostly due to my hyper vigilance with sunscreen. I think it’s better to match your neck than your face, to be honest, so that one doesn’t end up looking like one is wearing a mask.

        Veins aren’t really a good way to judge. My veins look blue, blue-violet or blue-green.

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    • MissJupiter

      Sorry for rambling; I understand if it’s tl/dr. <;-)

      After seeing LillianFunnyFace's (whose cool tones still seem a bit warmer & pinker in comparison to my icy cold tones) videos on pale foundations where she talked about being matched at Illumasqua (but she's a mix of 3 shades), & you mentioning it to me on another blog post, I have been lamenting that I have no access to a counter to try to get matched. Buh! <:-(

      When she tried to match me at my Esteé Lauder counter, the SA had never seen anyone with such a pale cool pink* overtone & such a strong cool blue** undertone, so she just stammered ("Wow…You are reeeally blue," while looking at me like: o_O) while swatching their lightest & pinkest shade in the Double-Wear line, "Shell," on my jaw & giving me a sample that was still much too dark & still had a beige/yellowness to it.
      ELF's Studio Tinted Moisturizer with SPF 20 in "Porcelain"*** was was about 10 shades too dark & warm yellow/tan (not explained on the website, but once I got it, the packaging even said it was for people with yellow undertones. o_O) for me & made me look jaundiced, or like I made a bad attempt at fake tan…as do most modern drugstore pressed "translucent" powders, especially from cruelty-free brands, who have had a ton of yellow/orange/beige pigments added to them in the past decade or so. <:-( The last pressed DS face powder that I could get away with, was the long-discontinued Physicians Formula Retro Glow Illuminating Powder in "Beige" (not even "translucent"!), which was [& still is in the small bit I have left in my collection] an ultra-pale pinkish-peachy-ivory, but didn't have enough pigment to really affect the color on my face much, but didn't come off as a stark white either, plus back then I may have still had a touch of ivory in my skin.
      Lilly Lolo powder foundation in "Porcelain" was nearly pale enough without being white, but, as it is objectively neutral, subjectively for me, it was way too warm. While they are too pink for you, I have yet to find a DS foundation, TM, or powder that actually is pale pink enough without being mixed with a lot of yellow/beige, so I've been using matte eyeshadow & "color correcting" powders to try to match.
      Other than the talc in it (which tends to make me itch a bit), I do like the blue & pink parts of the ELF Complexion Perfection compact, although I've heard from many other people that the 4 colors all come out white for them. On me though, because I am so fair, if I don't swirl the pink & blue together well enough, in bright light you can sometimes kind of see the pink & blue variations on my face, but at least being separated makes it so I can avoid the yellow & green parts. I wish the Physicians Formula's talc-free pressed correcting powder had the colors separated instead of all swirled together. *sigh*
      I can use a cool light purplish-taupe e/s for contouring, but my skin doesn't have a clue what to do with a bronzer, or really most warm colors in general. I never really liked pink lipstick until I tried a sample of Morgana's "Azalea Blue" ("patiently" waiting for the full tube in my recent order <;-)), because it is dark enough & blue enough to add enough color to keep me from looking completely dead, like many pink lipsticks do, plus it's vegan, which is rare for a pink. People always ask if the camera/light washed me out in my avatar, but no, it is actually one picture that shows the color of my skin fairly well (other than my blush).

      *I am actually 1/8th Cherokee & looked like it as a child, but I have lost most of my melanin**** from trying to avoid the sun for the past 30 years, since I started getting migraines, that are seriously aggravated by light, at age 10; like the deep ocean creatures who are not genetically albino, but become so from lack of sunlight. <;-) If I do get too much sun, but catch it before I burn, I turn brighter pink at first & then sickly gray for 2 weeks.

      **Some people have told me that "nobody has a blue undertone," but they fail to take genetic variations into consideration. My skin is about one-third "normal" thickness, due to a collagen mutation, so the bluish blood vessels are much closer to the surface giving my skin a slight bluish-lavender look; nothing like the obvious, prominent blue-violet coloring of people with methemoglobinemia or argyria, but can be noticeable as a slight lavender cast in bright light or when I wear dark purple lipstick, or if I get too cold & my Raynaud's Phenomenon kicks in, which makes capillaries spasm & the blood kind of drains out of my face, making me *even* paler & bluer, & turning my lips blue-violet.
      I have been told by several people that I 'should' just go ahead & use a yellow/orange (I guess a pale ivory/peach) to neutralize my blueness, but I actually like my "unusual" coloring, I've just been trying to match it to even it out a bit, while protecting it from the sun. I ordered samples of Morgana's Pale C & Lavender foundations to see if I can mix a color that might work, for MMU anyway. Maybe once I get the powder color match down, I can add it to an SPF cream base, although if the color is pale enough, it should have enough titanium dioxide & zinc oxide to provide some decent sunblocking, & it would be easier to reapply a sunblock powder throughout the day than reapplying a liquid chemical sunscreen that has to be the first thing on your face in order to absorb into your skin.
      When I did tan as a child, it always looked "off" to me, I think because the blue blood vessels showing through made me look a bit sickly greenish, & seemed more noticeable the darker my skin was.

      ***There is a lot of confusion, especially among cosmetic shade namers, about the etymology of the "porcelain," in reference to complexion & coloring. It comes from the French word "porcelaine," because of some people's skin resembling French fine 'china' ceramics called porcelaine. The French word comes from the Italian word, "porcellana," meaning 'cowrie shell,' which comes from the Latin, "porcella," meaning 'young sow'; & actually refers to the nearly-translucent light-reflective "glowy" luminosity, & pale pinkish white color, of a young pig's lady parts. Early Italians saw a similarity between the color & luster of a young sow's genitals & the appearance of cowrie shells. When the French started making fine china ceramics, they noticed the similarity of it to the pale pinkish white luminosity & translucence of cowrie shells, & so named it "porcelaine."
      Used in a sentence, "LillianFunnyFace has the most beautiful porcelain complexion." <:-)

      ****The melanin in my face & most of my body is gone, except for the pale ivory/beige still left in my hands, forearms, & the tops of my feet; so the wrist-color undertone test doesn't work for me at all. Even though the veins in my wrists are very prominent due to the thinness of my skin, there is just enough yellow in my thin skin there, to make make them look bluish-green. <:-/

      • Phyrra

        My suggestion for what you should do to get properly matched is take a picture of your naked face/neck in direct sunlight.

        Contact the wonderful Jen at meow, and she can tell you your undertones to help you get properly matched. She is seriously amazing at it. She did for me what countless MUAs could not do.

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    • http://libbyspinkvanity.blogspot.com Kimberly

      OOohhh, you’re naked!! (from the neck up, anyway!)

      I have pink undertones. Not much color variation except for a tiny bit of pink on my cheeks. Not enough because if I go with just eye makeup and none on my face, I get asked if I’m sick. Works when I want to skip out of work!

      Luckily, I’m blessed with behaving skin. I use mineral makeup foundation on my face. Since discovering it, I cannot wear liquid foundation. Eck!

      • Phyrra

        I remember old style liquid foundation being heavy and mask-like. The Too Faced stuff I have is awesome and feels like nothing at all.