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Breaking News! Urban Decay Decides NOT to Sell in China

I just received this email:

Dear Phyrra,

Thank you for your interest in the web chat.  As you may have heard, Urban Decay has decided NOT to begin selling products in China.  Our full statement and additional information can be found at www.urbandecay.com/animaltestingpolicy.

 

Because of this decision, we will not be holding the web chat, but encourage you to email us at [email protected] if you have any additional questions.

 

Thanks again for your patience as we worked through this difficult issue.

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    • Whimsical Kelly

      I am glad that UD changed their minds on animal testing, but I think they could have avoided quite a lot of backlash by making that their decision in the first place.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @Whimsical Kelly So true!

        • Whimsical Kelly

           @Phyrra The UD products I have, I greatly enjoy, but I will have to see how this plays out more fully before I decide to purchase another one. As you had pointed out, there are a lot of cruelty free products out there.I will admit that I purchase a small amount of L’Oreal products and I know they animal test. But to my knowledge, L’Oreal has never said “We won’t animal test. Oh, wait, we will, but only to undermine the system in China! Oh wait, you guys are mad, no we won’t animal test and we won’t sell in China now! See? It’s fine! Come back guys! …guys?”

    • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

      I feel so jaded, but it just seems as though it isn’t an issue of a wake-up call about the questionable ethics involved in even considering undermining the very foundations of what their company once stood for, but my gut says that their decision to pull out of China is nothing more than trying not to lose business from all of their once loyal customers who were drawn to them BECAUSE of their Cruelty Free position. It seems that both decisions were motivated by greed over their once steadfast commitment to making Cruelty-Free products. It’s one thing if you don’t purport to be a Cruelty-Free company, but an entirely different matter if you do (and flash it as a badge of honor). It just sort of felt as though their “core principles” were fairly easily compromised when they saw the considerable potential revenue from selling in China. The bad press that this has caused them, and no doubt lost sales, seems to be the real reason to abandon this venture so as not to further tarnish their reputation and to avoid losing more customers everywhere else.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @lolassecretbeautyblog  While I’m super excited by the change in UD’s position to go back to being cruelty-free, the cynical side of my brain just kicked in. My guess is that they saw some of the same news articles I did that mention the economic downturn in China. They talked to experts who gave them the realities of being a non-luxury brand (like Chanel) in China, and how they would have to influence the Chinese government, not the people.
         
        The fact that many beauty bloggers, animal lovers, vegans etc, banded together to sign petitions and email them to rethink their decision may or may not have had an impact, but I hope it did.

        • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

           @Phyrra I agree with you completely, Phyrra. Like you, I am very happy that UD wants to go back to being cruelty-free– even if it is a case of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
           
          While I wish that we lived in a world where all products were Cruelty-Free we don’t (which is frankly absurd because there is no need to animal test), but it seems to be a greater transgression when UD does it than say when Estee Lauder turned all of its companies into those that are no longer Cruelty Free. I know that you and I have discussed our mutual horror that EL took MAC down that unfortunate path, but as soon as MAC became part of the mega money making machine that is EL it became subject to the whims of the parent. UD was always in a different category until that ugly day when their core values became less important than the almighty dollar.
           
          I would love to believe that their motivation was altruistic and that they heard our pleas, but I somehow think that their bottom line (or their potentially threatened bottom line) was a real factor in making this decision. It couldn’t have felt good getting kicked to the curb by PETA and Leaping Bunny– sort of like getting demoted, or losing your accreditation!!

          • Gabrielle_

             @lolassecretbeautyblog I agree with both of you completely.  It definitely seems like just another greedy business move.  After all, you can’t say “I don’t care about this, oh wait, now that I know people are mad at me, I really do!”

          • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

             @Gabrielle_ Exactly!! That’s like having situational ethics!!

          • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

             @Gabrielle_  @lolassecretbeautyblog Even if that’s the case, I’m still happy that they’re not going to do it.
             
            And after talking about it over dinner, I think no matter what decision they made, people would be upset with them. But I’m glad that they’re not going to sell there.

          • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

             @Phyrra  @Gabrielle_ I agree with you!

          • http://ciambelladiamore.blogspot.com/ Ciambella

            @lolassecretbeautyblog
             I don’t think it’s jaded or cynical to view UD’s decision as profit-motivated. They’re a business. Realistically speaking, they aren’t going to do anything that might not make their investors happy, nor are they going to want to do things that will put them at a loss. Among the other factors Phyrra mentioned, current customer relations and opinions are also definite factors in the latter. So while I agree that it was probably not a purely altruistic decision, and animal cruelty might not have been a driving force, I bet both the issue and opinions on it were pretty influential. 
             

          • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

             @Ciambella I hear you! I tend to think that there wasn’t much in the way of altruism– more like damage control before it became potentially cataclysmic!!

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    • donnathebwana

      Wait a minute…. now some of you are mad at them for listening to you and not selling in China? What could they do to make you happy??
       
      Sorry, but I see this as a good thing and refuse to join in on the cynic bandwagon.

      • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

         @donnathebwana If you are referring to me- I’m not in the least bit “mad” that they changed their mind, and frankly I wasn’t “mad” when they decided to sell in China– that isn’t at all what I am trying to convey, nor is it the real issue for me. My point is simply that it appears that money was the chief reason for both actions (the decision to sell in China in the first place, and then the ultimate decision not to). UD, who so strongly supported and implemented Cruelty Free practices as a core part of their business model and philosophy, was willing to capitulate to the rules of another governing body who requires animal testing by law at the expense of their own ideology. Then they appeared willing to abandon that decision that they felt had been well reasoned- because of the backlash which could have (may have) cost them considerable sales amongst their strongest customer base who were loyal because of their Cruelty Free stance in the first place. My disappointment is not whether one sells or does not sell in China, per se. My disappointment is that they compromised what they stood for or believed in in the first place. As a result, they no longer seem resolute about what philosophical belief system they subscribe to. Of course they are a for profit business, and it would be naive to think otherwise, but I think that the back and forth has tarnished their image. I also know a great many former supporters who lost their loving feeling toward UD as a result.
         
        I don’t consider myself cynical in the least- just more surprised that UD took this path in the first place. While I am, indeed, very happy that they ultimately decided to remain Cruelty Free, that is not the point that I was making.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @donnathebwana No matter what, I’m happy that they’re not going to sell in China now.

        • http://lolassecretbeautyblog.blogspot.com lolassecretbeautyblog

           @Phyrra  @donnathebwana Me too! I totally agree!

      • Gabrielle_

         @donnathebwana I don’t know if I’m part of the group you mean, but for me, I *am* glad they aren’t selling in China.  But it’s not for the sake of their fans or for the sake of my ability to buy their products.  I never buy their products anyway, because as much as they have interested me at one time or another, I check ingredients lists for everything, and their products are loaded with talc, petrolatum, parabens, -cones, and now, phenoxyethanol.  Any company with price points like they have should not be resorting to using cheap synthetics and irritants in their supposedly high-end products.
         
        I’m glad they’re not selling in China for mainly two reasons, because I think American companies entering other countries should have something beneficial to bring, not harmful chemicals, and because I’m honestly happy for those animals that will not be harmed now by their products.

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    • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

      Thank you for posting this!! I think it’s really great to see this getting coverage and all the different opinons and perspectives on why Urban Decay changed their minds.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @logicalharmony You’re welcome :) I even wrote UD an email immediately thanking them for changing their position.
         
        I feel like I must write companies to express my feelings on things (such as me writing MAC and writing UD), and that I should let them know when they do things I like, too.

        • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

           @Phyrra I think that’s great that you expressed your feelings to them right away! No matter what they are, it’s important to let companies know.

          • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

             @logicalharmony  I agree with you so strongly on this! For good or bad, telling a company ‘yes, we like this’ or ‘no, we don’t, is important!

    • Sarsie

      I for one am very happy that they reversed their decision. As with some of the other commenters down(up?)thread, I’m under no illusion about why they did this (money). They are a business, and they are motivated by profits. Both their decision to sell in China and the reversal of that decision are based on that fact. And I don’t fault them for that. I did thank them for changing their position, just as I told them how much their decision to sell in China saddened me. I agree with Phyrra that we should let companies know when they do something we support just as often (if not more) as we do when they do something we disagree with.
       
      That being said, I am not sure that everyone will come running back to them as quickly as they are probably hoping, though I’m fairly certain a decent number of people will. As for myself, I’m quite honestly feeling a bit torn. My main consolation is that technically I don’t really need to buy anything right now to replace any HG UD products, so I can mull it over a bit more while figuring out how I feel. During the whole brouhaha, I decided to look at it as a positive in that I would be able to explore other products that I might love even more, and that is probably still very true. :)

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @Sarsie Yes, I think the biggest point is that they will not be testing. This is great news.

    • blauriche

      I’m feeling torn as well. Especially because I’m remembering some admittedly unsubstantiated reports that they had already begun selling in China. My strongest reaction to this news is relief. But I’ll never think of Urban Decay as my go-to brand again. They’ve really destroyed that trust and pushed into exploring other cruelty free brands. I ordered an absurd amount of stuff during Tarte’s 4th of July sale. Once I get a few more products from Illamasqua, I hope, I should be set for some time. I think what makes me the most uncomfortable about all this is how much I’ve been intermittently coveting that new palette of theirs that’s coming out this fall…

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @blauriche Thank you for sharing this. I am just happy that they’re not going to be testing.

        • blauriche

           @Phyrra  Oh definitely. To be honest, I celebrated last night by wearing my 24/7 eyeliner in Junkie. Strangely I think that’s the first time I’ve ever actually used it. I guess green must be my celebration color…

    • Marta85

      I may be naive, but this are really good news however I look at it. 3 things I like:
      - I get to keep using their products now that they’re still cruelty free (which I’d never have otherwise).
      - It sends a (granted, weak) message to China consumers who have access to this information. I don’t mean they will complain, some will probably look at it as a foreign corporation acting foreign, but it is a kind of contraculture bussiness statement, in a way. As in “we rather have happy costumers all over the world than happy costumers just in China”.
      I obviously understand the decision has been monetary and practical, but I’m glad the image UD commited itself into is still there, as I happened to like it as it is.
      Also, I don’t hold emotional grudges against corporations that turn back to non cruelty; should Mac ever do so, I would start buying their products again. Otherwise, what would be their motivation to change?
      Thanks Phyrra, I’d have NEVER find out about this!  This means I get to stop trying to find dupes for Freelove and Snatch! (Now I get to regret the time spent sucessfully finding substitutes for everything else XD damn it)

    • dvdfjojo

      I really think they thought they could just do what they like and still have the money rolling in from their existing customer base as well as a new market.  I think they massively underestimated their customers’ ability to communicate with each other and protest en masse.  I think they underestimated their customer’s appreciation of truth and tried to treat them like utter fools.  It was all a huge mistake and I think the lesson for their PR/Marketing bods is to be very careful about treating your customers with contempt.  Their newest statement, to me, shows they still haven’t quite grasped this and while I’m glad that they will not be selling in China while that regulation is in place and I don’t have to sell all of my Urban Decay stuff, I am still very wary about them as a company.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @dvdfjojo  Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, I appreciate it.

    • http://tallulah-bonvivantbeauty.blogspot.com/ Lulubelle107

      I’m encouraged that UD changed their mind, regardless of the motivations behind it.  Maybe other companies considering going into China will pay attention to this cautionary tale, although I’m sure the bottom line will still be the deciding factor for most.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @Lulubelle107 I’m looking at it as “Not Testing on Animals” = “Good”

    • Sandra TK

      Firstly, I’ve never been an Urban Decay fan simply because I don’t like their products. I am also not a person who buys only so-called ‘cruelty free’ products. But I’ve still got some very strong opinions on this latest Urban Decay rubbish.
      I don’t buy this for a minute. A company of this size wouldve been dumping a substantial amount of money into consumer research, etc before even making the decision to sell there. I think that this latest claim of theirs, that they’re dropping the entire idea of selling in China, is yet more misleading BS. What I believe they’re more than likely going to do is sell their products there under a different brand name, or sell their products to an already well-established Chinese company, which will then put their own label on it. Private labeling, basically. There’s no way they are going to suddenly drop the chance to make these huge profits, especially after dumping millions into this venture already. Not a chance. This has nothing to do with being ‘cynical’. The question is, who is gullible enough to believe what they are now saying after their ridiculous statement not very long ago, claiming they were going into China with their products in order to educate the Chinese regarding animal rights, workers rights, etc. In my opinion, Urban Decay made a big mistake & misjudged the intelligence of the people who use their products, assuming nobody would make a peep about it. They’re now just regrouping, working out how they can get their products into China while holding onto their profits here, & once again figure a way out to pull the wool over people’s eyes. No, I’m not being cynical. I’m being realistic, given as that I’ve seen too many companies lie to their customers in my lifetime. I’m not about to ignore my common sense, education & life experience. That would be exactly what Urban Decay is hoping for. I’d be insulting my own intelligence if I was to just blindly swallow the rubbish they are feeding consumers. I’m glad I’ve never been a fan of their products after witnessing their willingness to blatantly lie to their customers for the sake of millions of dollars. It does disappoint me though that many people – mainly women with educations – are going to blindly believe them.

      • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

         @Sandra TK Amen! :)
        This is why I’m trying to decide if I even want to feature them on my blog anymore. The entire situation leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes it very hard to trust them.

        • Sandra TK

          @logicalharmony I don’t blame you. I’m in the midst of starting my own blog & the only promotion they’re going to get from me is copies of their hypocritical press releases posted on my blog. This is about as sleazy as sleazy can get. I hope PETA gives them a good public whacking too. Having lived in Asian countries similar to China regarding ‘ethics’, I already knew that they didn’t have any hope whatsoever trying to ‘influence’ the Chinese government. Things like that require very large corruption payoffs, which in itself damages the society they’re feeding their products to. I’ve seen it happen over & over with foreign companies moving into countries such as China, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. And seriously, how dare they try & claim that one of their reasons to open shop there is to promote women’s rights? They don’t even respect the animals enough who they’re willing to see killed, yet they want women to believe UD cares about them? Women already suffer incredible atrocities worldwide. The last thing we need is to have some cosmetics company try & manipulate us into believing they might CARE about us, all the while profiting off our suffering. Because you can bet that part of their plan to be making multi millions there wouldve been to take advantage of the starvation wages people are paid to slave in foreign owned factories. Whether directly or indirectly – as with their claim it would not be THEM testing on animals – they wouldve most definitely taken advantage of the suffering of people there. I’m glad you’re one of the women who are not buying into UD’s pathetic public relations scams. I really hope millions of women will do the same.

          • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

             @Sandra TK  That’s exciting that you’re starting your own blog! It’s so great to have your own voice out there and to be able to find others that share some of the same thoughts and opinions. :) 
             
            Oh yeah. I agree that there was never going to be any of the “influencing” that UD talked about. It just seemed like their excuse for why they were making the change. I’m just glad that they changed their mind, no matter what the real reasons are.

      • Sarsie

         @Sandra TK Ooooh, I hadn’t even thought of the private labeling scenario. I had many of the same thoughts as you, wondering how they could just drop it after they’d presumably invested money into PR, research, relabeling of packaging, etc., but private labeling would help recoup those costs without setting off the firestorm again. I do actually like some of their products a great deal, but I was content to take advantage of the opportunity to find products from other companies I liked just as much or even more, and I still kind of feel that way.

        • Sandra TK

          @Sarsie They still have so many options available to them, and they’ll use them. Without a doubt. They’ve got to recoup their costs in all this. The great thing is, there are so many great indie companies around now, with truly spectacular products. There’s no reason they all can’t take advantage of this sh1t storm UD has created & start duping all of their products, past, present & future to give those who are concerned about this issue an option to still be able to get great quality products at a fraction of the cost of UD’s stuff. I really hope to see some of these ethical indie companies start to do this. It’s a great business opportunity for them & a great option for ex Urban Decay customers.

          • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

             @Sandra TK  @Sarsie  I hadn’t even thought or considered private labeling :(

    • tikibwana

      I’m just curious…. how many of you check to see if the products you buy are made in China? I’ve seen a number of “cruelty free” bloggers post product after product made in the PROC…. ironic, in my opinion, given the working conditions of the people in the cosmetic factories there.

    • aras_moonstar

      I like to believe that all the angry feedback they received after they announced their decision to go to China helped them take a step back and really consider what was important to them. Perhaps they really are sacrificing profits in China to keep their cruelty-free status. I can forgive them their mistake: money is a powerful motivation in this world, and hard to resist. My husband has a Bachelor’s degree in Environmental Biology; and has had to skip applying to numerous positions in labs that involved using animals. He recently applied to a lab assistant position in our local college and didn’t find out until the interview that he would be required to take care of, and then euthanize rats for the anatomy lab. We discussed this all day, trying to figure out if it was worth if the pros of taking the job (medical insurance, above minimum wage pay, being able to move out of  his parents’ second house) outweighed the cons of taking the lives of the rats. In the end, he knew he would not be able to do it, and I know if I were in his position I would not be able to either. Luckily, they did not offer him the job. I do not see the purpose of the rats needing to die, as most the students are going into nursing, and I think just studying the human cadaver they will have would be much more helpful.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @aras_moonstar I definitely think that cadavers is a great way to improve skills.
         
        I actually switched from working on my biology degree and went another direction because I couldn’t handle some of the biology labs and cutting on animals :(

    • jeanniesmiles

      Something about this whole situation seems really fishy and disingenuous to me. Though I do applaud the animal lovers for continuing to give Urban Decay a hard time, I think it’s a bit naive of them to think they’re the reason the decision was changed. The amount of sales they would’ve lost from their animal loving customers in no way would dent their potential profit in China. I also saw pictures online from a Sephora launch party in Shanghai that had Urban Decay products so UD’s already been selling in China, I don’t know why they’re saying they decided not to START selling in China. I can’t help but think this whole controversy was a (very bad) publicity stunt to generate buzz. Love or hate UD’s decision, there certainly was a lot of traffic on their FB page.

      • Sandra TK

        @jeanniesmiles I was thinking seriously about this tonight. After picking through statements that Urban Decay has recently been making regarding their ‘cooperation’ with different groups in China & all the other work they’ve been putting into this, I am 100% convinced that they have in fact already been selling in China, and have absolutely no intention of stopping. I think they decided to wait to let the bomb drop, regarding selling in China. I just don’t think they expected such a backlash. Liars liars, pants on fire. Oh well, if they ever had a hope of getting me personally to become a loyal customer, their recent sleazy behavior has brough me to the conclusion that I never will. Unfortunately, some customers will keep buying, and newer customers who aren’t aware of this recent storm will buy. Which is why I plan on posting their bogus press release disasters on my own blog, so it won’t be so easy for Urban Decay to weasel out of yet more of their lies. The people working for this company should really be ashamed of themselves for choosing to act in this manner. Very unprofessional & unethical for a company who claims that social responsibility has always been at the top of their list.

        • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

           @Sandra TK  I do think there is truth to the comment someone else made (either here or on another blog, I’ve read about this a lot now), what incentive would any company have to go to back to cruelty-free (or switch to cruelty-free) if people wouldn’t give them a chance.
           
          I know I would buy from MAC again if they went back to cruelty-free, and they started testing without ever telling anyone. I would buy from Smashbox again if they went to cruelty-free (their packaging is deceiving).

          • Sandra TK

            @ Phyrra @Phyrra After the way they’ve handled this ‘carefully thought out’ plan of theirs, I personally have no intention of giving them a chance. The whole thing is beyond seedy & really makes me question their ethics & integrity. If it was a person who had tried to manipulate any of us in this manner – a friend or family member – I don’t think most of us would want to give that person another chance, at least not until they stopped with the lies & consistently proved to us that they truly were being honest & ethical, that they were really sincere about doing the right thing, not just appearing to do the right thing for the sake of profits or attempting to undo the damage they’ve done to their own reputation. That doesn’t happen overnight. Releasing laughable press statements, then removing them from their website when they cause a blowout, trying to manipulate us into believing that they were being altruistic in their decision to open up operations in China – *cough* bullshit *cough* – saying one thing one minute & then another thing later  shows me personally that their ‘ethics’ & policies have mostly been a means to an end. It’s similar to the difference between a prostitute & a woman who has an affair with a married man. I can at the very least respect a prostitute for being honest about what they do, as opposed to a homewrecking skank that tries to blame the affair on the wife to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.  Companies, governments & corporations have no more right to do this to us than a friend or family member. Yet for some reason we’re much more likely to forgive a company than a friend or family member. Pretty sad. That’s the way I feel towards Urban Decay now. It’s gonna be a very long time before I believe anything they say. The onus is on them to put their profits where their mouths are. They created this mess, they are the ones for cleaning it up. I don’t feel I have a responsibility to make it easier for them, either. Suck it up & show us you’re not just yanking our chains again, Urban Decay. Otherwise, y’all can kiss my white arse. 

             I wish I could remember the name of a recent documentary I watched which did a comparison of the signs & symptoms of sociopathy in people & compared them to the actions of companies which behave exactly the same way as a sociopath would. That really made me realize a lot of things, including the fact that we have become so accustomed to these companies all around us manipulating & lying to us that we either have become oblivious to their behavior, or choose to ignore it because there’s so much of it happening all the time. We are swamped by sociopathic companies which are willing to do anything to relieve us of our cash. Pretty damn sad. 

            Regarding MAC, I wasn’t aware that they did that, and yes, it fries my backside that they too acted in such a sleazy manner. As a MAC customer, I can’t wait to stop by & ask them some very straight forward questions. As far as Smashbox goes, wasn’t aware of that either. As with Urban Decay, I’ve never been a fan of theirs either, due to their inconsistent & often shoddy product quality. Quite pathetic that even with animal testing they can’t get their products right. Great to know this stuff though, as I will be adding references to them when writing my post about Urban Decay’s sleazy shenanigans.  

          • Sandra TK

            @Phyrra I also forgot to mention that if it isn’t incentive enough for Urban Decay to come clean, tell the truth & do the right thing, then it’s quite easy to deduce that their motivation is purely money, and has nothing whatsoever to do with their ethics. If they were to at least admit they’ve been BSing people, rather than continuing to try & save face for the sake of cash, I’ll be the first one to send them a letter of appreciation. Why is it the responsibility of their customers, who they’ve been manipulating, to make it easier to recover from this mess they’ve created? Thats much like expecting an abused child to shoulder the responsibility of forgiving their parents for beating them in order to make it easier for the parents to save some face. For me, that would be a big fat HE’LL NO.

          • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

             @Sandra TK  I don’t think most companies would ‘come clean.’ If you look at the number of companies that use the legal phrase ‘except where required by law,’ most of them are trying to present a ‘we don’t test on animals’ image. That phrase, however, I’ve learned means that they do test somewhere, even if it’s not in the USA.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @jeanniesmiles Do you have a link? I was also a bit confused and wanted some clarity. I thought that a launch party had already happened in China. So I thought that meant that some products were sold, but the press release seemed to indicate otherwise.
         
        Regardless, I’m glad there will be no testing now.

        • jeanniesmiles

          @Phyrra I’m also glad they’re not going to test on animals, my main concern is still the welfare of the animals.

          Unfortunately I can’t remember where I saw the link and pictures, when this whole debacle went down I remember a lot of beauty bloggers posted about it and I can’t remember who posted about it. I’ll keep looking through my history/google reader feed to see if I can come up with anything! If I am wrong about that I do apologize

          • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

             @jeanniesmiles  @Phyrra I’m on the same page – my main concern is the welfare of the animals. :)
             
            I too remember seeing some pictures of this party, but now I have no idea where. Hopefully one of us can find them again and get some more details!

      • VeggieBeauty

         @jeanniesmiles do you have a link to the picture of the launch? I’ve been looking for concrete evidence to place UD in China already, but also, I don’t live in China and I haven’t seen this photo. If you get a chance, could you email me the link to [email protected]

    • Sandra TK

      You know, it really wasn’t a good move on their part to just say they’re suddenly not going to sell in China & cancel the web chat. Their customers still have a great deal of questions & concerns. Rather than addressing them head on, they chose to shut down any possibility of dialogue. This is another thing that makes me question their honesty & ethics. They are behaving as if they just want the whole mess to quickly & quietly go away, and do not want to give their customers a chance to potentially publicly embarrass them more than they’ve already embarrassed themselves. They just don’t want to directly deal with the mess they’ve created. In my opinion, that was another big mistake on their part. They had a chance to address their customers’ concerns, as well as to possibly redeem themselves, & totally blew it.

    • tikibwana

      Good grief… some people are never happy. 
       
      The majority of their sales come from people who go into Ulta or Sephora and buy the products because it appeals to them… they don’t care about all this hoopla.
       
      I will continue to purchase UD– they are made in America. Slays me how so many of you purchase makeup products made in China after the poisoned grain they sold the US pet food companies and the tainted toy beads that if swallowed poisoned kids. Not to mention the horrible working conditions in the factories there….or don’t people count too? Yet you trust the Chinese not to taint your eyeshadows…
       
      Guess I would just like to see some consistency from more of the “cruelty free” bloggers– if you don’t want products sold in China, why would you support the Chinese economy by purchasing products made there when you can purchase products made in America by Americans? Seems to be a bit of a disconnect there.
       
      And are you so certain that some of these companies, like Wet n Wild, made in China, don’t also sell there under another name? As long as you are advancing conspiracy theories… by the way, I think it is ridiculous to speculate that they are going to go under another name… they have spent years making the Urban Decay name known as a prestige brand.

      • http://www.Phyrra.net/ Phyrra

         @tikibwana Have you seen my Affordable Cruelty-Free Brands list? Many of the companies listed are indie companies and the products are made in the USA. http://www.phyrra.net/2012/06/affordable-cruelty-free-products.html

      • http://logicalharmony.net logicalharmony

         @tikibwana Cruelty Free means free of cruelty to animals. It’s an animal treatment/animal rights issue. It’s not a human rights issue. It’s also not an economic issue either. It’s 100% about the treatment of animals. I, for one, am a vegan and animal friendly beauty blogger. It’s what my site says and it’s how I market myself. I think that it’s pretty clear what my main concern is.
         
        Products that are sold in China are tested on animals. Products that are just made there, and not sold there, are not. This is why cruelty free bloggers may buy products that are made in China but are not going to purchase from companies who sell their products in China.
         
        It sounds like your new blog will be about promoting ethical beauty when it comes to human rights and the working conditions, wage, etc that these companies use. Which is really great! As you’ve noticed, it’s not something most bloggers talk about and will definitely put you at an advantage.

    • Christine Loeffler- Torkos

      I suppose it’s a good thing but it still bothers me that they actually seriously considered it.

    • Denise Dwyer

      YAY! Went back and liked their page :)

      Thanks for stating on top of all of this!!!!! Really great articles :)

    • Fortune Buchholtz

      Will be happy to support their products!

    • Adrienne Dinnall

      Well well well I’m glad I held off on writing a blog post about this. Glad to see them make the right choice

    • Shekeira Pearson

      I just read this article and I am so excited….and so proud of this company for saying No to animal testing. It really hurt that they considered it, but ultimately I’m overjoyed that they made the right decision.

    • Gabh Omhaill

      Changes nothing. Both decisions were based on greed.

    • Kristen ‘Sakara’ Jones

      OH THANK THE GODS!

    • Kristen ‘Sakara’ Jones

      guess it had alot of irate customers saying they wouldnt buy from them anymore….like me.

    • Kristen ‘Sakara’ Jones

      Do UD own Two Faced, are they still selling to china?

    • Phyrra

      Too Faced has never sold in China to my knowledge.

    • Phyrra

      I personally am happy that they are not going to sell in China and test on animals, whatever their reason.

    • Phyrra

      Kristen ‘Sakara’ Jones Too Faced is cruelty-free and they do not sell in china. (as far as I am aware)

    • Kristen ‘Sakara’ Jones

      According to BUAV they have for a while now.